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I've now spent a few years writing, and I have at least the beginnings of answers to a lot of questions about this craft. I've been able to address many basic technical issues, I think I understand the basics of how words work (at least in prose), and I'm even starting to get a handle on creating interesting characters. I even have some idea of what I want to say with my writing, and what sort of of styles and forms I'm attracted to.
And yet, this weekend I suddenly realized that I have no answer at all to the question "what makes a good story?"
It's always refreshing to suddenly discover how ignorant you are.
And yet, this weekend I suddenly realized that I have no answer at all to the question "what makes a good story?"
It's always refreshing to suddenly discover how ignorant you are.
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Re: What Makes a Good Story?
Wed, June 21, 2006 - 1:27 PM"What makes a good story?"
-One that isn't boring. -
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Re: What Makes a Good Story?
Wed, June 21, 2006 - 4:08 PMYeah. Actually I've been thinking along these lines recently. That's the basic criterion, isn't it? A story is good if it's one we want to hear all the way through.
Now the question is, why do people like to hear stories?
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Re: What Makes a Good Story?
Fri, June 23, 2006 - 9:46 AMIts a real good question.
If you contrast non-narrative poetry
with the narrative prose
you get two different kinds of literary pleasures.
Narratives follow the line of time and sequence.
This is how we generally experience life.
For this reason, we slot right on in
and tend to recognize plenty in a narrative.
(whereas poetry frequently lacks this familiarity)
We are also more comfortable with linear/sequential narrative
because of this familiarity.
Now, keeping all that in mind,
we also have to take a look at character and plot.
Why should we even give a rats ass about this person?
Why should we care about what is happening?
Frequently, whether its short story, novel or play
the author or playwrite will set up characters
that we can identify and even archetype.
Then, the writer will set them in situations
or conflicts that bring the reader along.
This is a big part of the magic of narrative.
Then its up to the writer where this is going to go.
You are bringing your readers on a ride
and in this is the wonder of storytelling.
An element not to ignore is the poetic,
even in prosaic narrative.
The use of language can draw one into your story
Keep them with you
and even induce something of a trance state.
There are many tools to do that.
(thats much of what I teach).
You are going to hear different opinions on this
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Compelling storytelling IS the heart of culture
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Re: What Makes a Good Story?
Tue, July 4, 2006 - 9:17 AMI agree with Sensei. A dozen people can tell (or write) the same story but it's HOW the story is told that matters. A good story by itself does not necessarily make for a compelling read. It's the use of language in the prose, whether poetic or lyrical or humorous or edgy, that makes me want to keep reading. -
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Re: What Makes a Good Story?
Tue, July 4, 2006 - 1:01 PMA great story is something that compels people to wanting more -whether it's an actual page, video or voice.
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Re: What Makes a Good Story?
Thu, July 6, 2006 - 11:17 AMAs to the question "What makes a good story?", there are two words - good and story.
The answer "One that isn't boring" answers only the first word, "good". That answer can be applied to any art form or writing.
I think the interesting part of the question is what elements of the story form really sings.
So I propose I new question, "what is the story?"
And then, "what are the essential elements that make a story hang together?"
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Re: What Makes a Good Story?
Thu, July 6, 2006 - 3:46 PMThe classical elements of story (narrative) are, if I recall, as follows...
-Opening
-Conflict
-Complication
-Climax
-Point of Tension
-Resolution
-Conclusion
You will see these elements in most Hollywood films by the book. You'll see postmodernists fuck with the format, but that's only by writers who are already accomplished in narrative. This is all covered in most writing courses.
How well one developes within this framework is a major consideration. In many PoMo works, how well you play with the format without totally destroying cohesion (or using the breaking of rules to effectively express what the author is intending)
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Re: What Makes a Good Story?
Wed, July 5, 2006 - 10:44 PMA good story is one that drives you to finish it. A good story isn't necessarily well written, nor is it heartbreaking, funny or even particularly well crafted. It can be all of those things but those things don't always equate to a good story. Think of examples of wonderfully crafted work that did nothing for you. Think of work that demonstrated adequate craftmanship, but little artistry yet held you in a rapturous state as you let it take you. For the best example of this would be Kevin Smith. No one is going to accuse Kevin Smith of being a genius, but I love his work. On the other side of this would be Paul Thomas Anderson. He's written Boogie Nights, which I loved as well as Magnolia and Punch Drunk Love both of which had me craving root canals as a distraction from his laborious narratives. Anderson is considered a remarkable writer, but he does nothing for me. Where Smith is a total idol of mine. Go figure. -
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Re: What Makes a Good Story?
Tue, July 11, 2006 - 9:36 AMOf course, GOOD is subjective, as is all art. I don't believe you can be objective about art because then it ceases to be art. Therefore, a GOOD story is going to connect with those readers (or film watchers) who share, to some extent, the same subjective slant as the author. I loved FIGHT CLUB, THE BLAIR WITH PROJECT, PULP FICTION, DOGMA, MAGNOLIA, and PUNCH DRUNK LOVE while others hated all of them. Are they good films? Depends on who you talk to. But there is no definitive GOOD when it comes to your audience. As Big Indian Man said, a good story is simply one that drives you to finish it.
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Re: What Makes a Good Story?
Wed, July 12, 2006 - 6:22 PMI believe it was Aristotle who wrote that a good story must contain a thesis, antithesis, and a funny, yet bumbling, old man.